Conversations With Researchers on Mind Control

December 1991, Introduction

The following is an extract from a taped  interview with several researchers in the general area of mind  control. It has never been published before. The interview, like  many others that have been done, is done in an open question and  answer format to protect the identities of the parties. The Orion  Technology Report in Appendix 4 contains supplementary  information that relates to this report.

X: Let's move along to things that are psycho-active in nature  and things that people should know about.

Y: We now have discussed the early Phoenix Project. In about  1969 they wrote the final report for Phoenix I. In that report it  stated that "since we now have studied the electromagnetic  effects on human beings, we believe it is now possible to  influence the way people think with electromagnetics". Of  course when Congress read the report, they hit the ceiling,  saying essentially, "we don't want you doing this!"  Congress was afraid that someone would use this technology to  control them. They said, in effect, "no, don't do  this". The people who wanted to continue this went to the  military and said, in effect, "we can make you a nice  little-weapon that will make the enemy lay down their arms."  How many people believe that the military doesn't want this? The  military then offered them the use of the old base at Montauk.  Then came Phoenix II and the Montauk project. Let's review that.  They had three steps in the project. The first step in the  project was something I like to call the "microwave  oven" step. They wanted to see what the output of the  multi-gigawatt transmitter would have on human beings in front of  it. They took a subject and sat them in where they could be  focused on and threw the switch. Of course, the subjects were  cooked. We don't know how many people they killed this way, but  we do know there were a lot of them. Finally, someone got the  idea, "hey, we don't want the burning rays, we want the  non-hertzian rays". They turned the antenna around and they  aimed the gain horn through the reflector at the target person.  Now they were getting somewhere. They were able to direct mood  control from a distance by ELF modulating the transmitter and  changing the mood.

This was a great success. Someone then came to them from the  US Government and told them that they would provide them with  sensors that would pick up thoughts directly from a persons'  mind. So, they brought the system of sensors and installed them  in a chair. This is the famous Montauk chair.

What they did then is that they connected the output of the  sensors to computers that would decode the sensors output into a  digital code that represented the thought patterns. Those went to  another computer which would store the thought patterns and to  another computer which would generate the pulse modulations that  went out the antenna. What they had actually built was a mind  amplifier.

X: What would they do with this chair?

Y: They would take a subject, train him so that his conscious  mind would be diverted to the "serpent in the  Kundalini". The primitive mind would come up to the surface  - they would blank that out and put in his primitive mind a  concept that he would concentrate on. The concept would be picked  by the sensors and transmitted out of the antenna. This was the  second phase of Montauk. They were targeting whole populations  and individuals. The subject could think of squelching electrical  activity and all activity would stop where they focused the  antenna.

X: What else where they able to do?

Y: They were able to change the way in which the animals in  the area were moving. Once they programmed the animals to charge  out of the woods into the town. They changed the way birds flew,  fish swam and a dozen other things. They could take the crime  statistics in Montauk and run it up and down like a yo-yo. They  programmed crime waves for one period where they would occur,for  four hours each night for a week. This drove the police crazy.  There was one time, according to the Montauk police, when all the  kids descended on the beach - all the kids in town. Two or three  hours later, the kids all left the beach in mass unison. Another  time, all the residents of the town decided to drive up to the  state park. When asked, some of them said that it seemed like a  "good thing to do".

X: So what they had developed was ...

Y: They developed wholly operational mind control. Based upon  the effect that they had to cancel out the fields at the chair,  which was located underground, they noticed that conceptual  effects would happen out of synch with real time. They realized  that they had the capability of bending time. At that point,  conferences were held to discuss how they would modify the  equipment to more effectively bend time. They developed something  called a Delta-T antenna. It consisted of three loops describing  a delta-function; it was referred to as the pyramid antenna. It  essentially was three magnetic pickups/transmitters at right  angles to each other; three orthogonal loops. Orthorotation is,  of course, how you get access to hyperspace. It means you have  tensor stress orthorotations. If you drive the three parts of the  antenna correctly, you get what is essentially a space-time  portal in the center. The antenna looks like a pyramid with an  inverted pyramid on top.

X: Could you go into the operation of the chair a little more?

Y: yes. The output of the chair went into a Cray computer that  would decode the digital representation of the thoughtform. That  drove the IBM computer and the output from that went into the AIL  computer...

X: AIL? Is that the Airborne Instrument Labs?

Y: Yes. The AIL computer generated the pulse modulation. It  was a frequency-hopping signal source. It would change  frequencies in a matter of nano-seconds. There were five  synchro-dyne amplifier stages, cascaded. Each one had a separate  pulse modulator. The final input was the amplitron, which had a  big pulse modulator.

X: How did this thing work?

Y: They would take a portion of the thoughtform and put it  into the first stage, and pulse the first stage on and load it  into the second stage,etc. After the fifth stage it would go into  the IPA's, be pulsed again and then into the amplitron, which  would be pulsed and then the signal would go into the above  ground antenna. Each time the signal would go from stage to  stage, more complex information would be put into the thoughtform  that was being cycled through. What does all this remind us of?  The radiosonde. This is essentially a big radiosonde.

X: How did they figure the time aspect into all of this?

Y: They used the delta-t antenna, which was situated  underground immediately under the christmas-tree antenna on top  of the building. The chair was located underground between the  delta-t antenna and the above-ground antenna. The delta-t  generated time-stress tensors which were coupled with the  electric field to generate the full time tensor control. It was  great. They had a working time machine. They used twistor and  spinor fields in order to form a portal. They could go anywhere  in space-time, and they used it once to get access to the  underground facilities on Mars.

X: To Mars? How did that work'?

Y: First, the subject projected himself psychically through  space to Mars. They set the computers to solidify the vortex  between Montauk and the point on Mars and the vortex would be  established. They only needed to do it once, because they taped  it and could then run the tape to establish the vortex. There was  a project called Project Phobos, part of which was concerned with  the investigation of the underground caverns. There were other  project initiatives that had to do with a defense posture for the  solar system. It was a directive of the people in command at  Montauk to physically and psychically approach this defense  mechanism, in order to find a way to turn the system off. It was  done. If it were turned back on, the system would in effect  become more "conscious" and able to reject outside  intrusion.

X: I'm not sure I understand what you are really talking about  with all this... does it have anything to do with the planetary  grid?

Y: Yes, to a degree. There are planetary grid nodes on almost  every military base. What we're talking about with the earth is  putting the earth to sleep in order to prevent any geological  changes of any great magnitude from occurring. We're pumping  signals into the grid points, which you might compare to human  chakras. It is mind control, in a way, that is also being done to  the planetary mind of the earth.

X: What has happened since the Montauk project crashed in  1983?

Y: Well, after the Montauk project was discovered and ITT was  taken apart, the government didn't leave it alone. They left ELF  alone and they moved up to VLF through HF today. HF is 3-30MHz,  MF is 300KHZ to 3Mhz and VLF is 3KHz to 300KHz. If you tune  across these spectrums, you are going to hear all sorts of pulse  modulated signals that sound like the old Montauk signals. You'll  hear signals similar but not identical to the Soviet woodpecker  signals; you'll hear video buzzes on these bands- they don't have  synch or chromo references on them. On VLF, you can tune into  15.75KHz horizontal rate and you hear phase modulation. I have  receiving equipment that has dispersive IF filters that convert  phase modulation to amplitude modulation so I can hear it. All  your TV networks the National Bureau of Standards (NBS) supplies  free-of-charge the reference frequency to all TV stations. This  is what they phase modulate. Does anyone believe the government  gives anything away for nothing? I just discovered that this is  part of the videodrome system. I have been tracking this for  quite a while and wondered what it was. If you tune up to 31.4  KHz, which is twice the horizontal rate, and up to other  multiples of the horizontal rate, you'll find other carriers  which are similar to video but don't have the synch information  accompanying them; they correlate to the horizontal rate and the  phase modulation. In the Long Island area, these carriers are  coming from the state parks. There are Tittle VLF transmitter  sites in the state parks; they are all run from satellite. We had  psychics check this out on their level and they came up with the  information that this VLF was in effect a softening up procedure  to make the public susceptible to other mind control experiments.

The "American Buzzsaw" is the US equivalent of the  Russian woodpecker signal. This a psycho-active signal which is  designed to interface with the mind of the human being by way of  the mind-brain connection. The government has been quite active,  designing systems that are carried by helicopter, systems that  sit on the ground like the buzzsaw transmitters, etc. I first  picked up the buzzsaw signal about 1990. I called the FCC and  asked them if they knew what it was. They said it was the  American version of the over-the-horizon radar. I said, "you  mean like the Russian woodpecker signal?". They said  'yes". So they admitted that it had the same purpose. This  signal is broadcasted on multiple carriers. The carriers hop from  one frequency to another, anywhere in the range from 4MHz to  3OMHz. It is never on the ham band or the international broadcast  band. It is only on the allocated frequencies that the government  shares with other communication services. With the switching of  these frequencies, they are creating what is known as a Levinson  Transform, named after Norman Levinson, who generated the  mathematics for frequency-time transformations. This is highly  significant, since the human brain, body and mind work on time  dependent pulsations and frequencies which are time encoded. You  have this unusual pulse modulated signal hopping around from  frequency to frequency to frequency. They have multiple  transmitter. The signals only come in phase at a targeted site.  This signal, we believe, has three modes. The first mode is the  search-mode. This is where they transmit a signal and then a  psychically sensitive human being picks up the signal and sends  something back. They can in this way identify these people and  where they are. The second mode is the general transmission of a  psychic interrupt function which interrupts psychic activity.  That's all it does. It has a tendency to lower the overall  psychic awareness of the population. Maybe one out of three  people respond to this signal. A good psychic can easily screen  this mode out of their consciousness. The third mode is where  they target an individual, and we have known six people who have  been targeted. They can lock on to the resonance of the synthetic  material in your clothing and target you from that. We have a  clearing device which uses the equivalent of a white-noise  magnetic field to break up the magnetic matrix in objects in  order to clear any psychic signatures or stored solitons in the  object.

We put this device on the clothing, and you could hear the  timing of the buzz-saw changing. It got more and more distorted,  and then disappeared for a while; it then came back in on the  search mode. This is telling me that it is an interactive signal.  Also, if I scan up and down the band, it will find my receiver  and lock in on that receiver. They are looking for a changing  dynamic function. This must be how they key in the search mode.  As I tune the receiver from high to low, it is sending out a  phase conjugate function that they are picking up.

X: How can an individual know if they are being controlled  through the use of electronics?

Y: Well, if there was a process being impinged on a person  that embodied a higher intelligence than the person had, at a  higher power level than the person manifested, you could say that  he was under control. There could be emotional or physical  indication that something was "out of order ".

Typically, we all know when something is wrong. You have to be  in touch with how you operate in a normal manner in order to  distinguish when something abnormal is going on. You have to have  a high order of awareness in order to recognize when an attempt  is being made to violate your mind. Understanding how it works is  probably your best defense against this, at this point. We have  no shield, per se, no real way to jam it, but understanding does  limit its effect by allowing you to "plug the holes" in  your mentality. A technological device that would block it would  have to go above the wave-order that embodies the human being. It  would have to be a unified field type of.device in order to be  above the orthogonal rotations in hyperspace that they are using  to transmit the effect. If you can personally operate within  those higher orders, in consciousness, you can control what is  going on around you, barring the use of a technological device.  Another aspect is that if you operate "outside of time"  in consciousness, then time-dependent hyperspacial pulsed  modulations would have little or no effect. The people that are  perpetrating this stuff want you to be unaware - that's why  they're sending out the buzz-saw signals. The awareness that it  is going on is by all means a major step.

X: How about the use of subliminals in the environment?

Y: There are doors to different levels within the  "subconscious' areas of the mind that are keyed in by the  focus of attention and the integration of emotion. For instance,  the third and forth level of the subconscious involves sexuality.  Advertising and media focus on this subject should not be an area  of focus. It is a "jumping off point" to get into the  mind.

X: Are these "searching functions' directed toward  specific areas, or do they cover the entire country... is there  somewhere you could go to establish a safe reference point?

Y: Well, from the way I have heard it, there are at least five  multi- megawatt transmitters propagating these buzz-saw signals.  There are also many local transmitters all over the country.  These large transmitters could probably reach anywhere in the  world. The American buzz-saw signal is mostly hertzian, and I  believe it is affecting the magnetic field relative to the person  more than the psyche, so magnetic shielding modes should be a  step in the right direction. If you live deep underground, you  probably would not even pick the signal up.

X: How deep would that have to be?

Y: Probably a mile or so underground would be enough. If you  lived in a ring of mountains, they might not find you. See, this  is not a time-stress that they are playing with. They don't need  special equipment to do this now.

X: What do you mean?

Y: They need no more than the UHF cellular telephone  frequency, which is now being installed everywhere, to do it. The  human cranium resonates within the frequencies covered by  cellular telephone continuous wave transmissions. The cellular  system nationwide is connected to a computer system in Boulder,  Colorado. We are very suspicious about what other capabilities  that system has, since it is pulse modulated. That is not a  relativistic signal - it is a hertzian in-domain type signal and  it affects the physical. We suspect that they may be using the  cellular telephone receivers to pick up the return signal from  the buzz-saw. We have heard buzz-saw like signals on the cellular  telephone network that correspond in frequency-switch-timing in  the same way that the buzz-saw signals do. There is a definite  connection between cellular telephones and the buzz-saw signal.  And this is "over-the horizon radar" that connects to  cellular telephones? Come on, 'who's kidding who here.

X: How do the grid points interface with this technology?

Y: The grid vortex was initially used as an extension of the  antenna structure. That's all it was used for - for the mind  control part of Montauk.

X: What size grid nodes would you need for this. There are  grid lines about every 1.5 feet.

Y: You have different kind of grid nodes. The Hartman lines  .are every 1.5 feet. The military bases are built on the large  nodes where the lines repeat about every 15 to 20 miles.

X: Other than this electromagnetic pulsing, what other  technologies are you hearing about that may be in this category.

Y: Well, the so-called videodrome signals on television. There  is so much going on that could be involved.

X: Would you amplify a little on what you said about the  resonance of the human cranium?

Y: There is research that shows that the human cranium  resonates at about 850MHz; this seems to vary from about 830MHz  to 890MHz. The cellular system is designed to operate right in  that range. The cellular system operates from about 840MHz to  890MHz. It is pulse amplitude modulated and pulsed angle  modulated.

X: Angle. That would be phase.

Y: Right. You have regular analog modulation as well. When  your portable cellular system is ON, it's in constant  communication with the cell site. The set that you are carrying  is telling the cell site where you are. When you get to the edge  of the cell site it transfers you over to another cell site. They  can also use this to track the people as well. Is that the only  way to track?

Y: It is conceivable that they could track a person by the  ringing within the cranial cavity. I do not know if they can do  that yet. It is theoretically possible. Each persons cranium  should "ring" with a different resonant signature.

X: What about the interface with this central computer for the  cellular system. Could you go into more detail about that?

Y: The cellular system involves their use of a person they  dubb a "roamer", which is a person who roams the  country with a cellular transceiver. He has to be able to hand  over from cell site to cell site as he travels. The only way a  roamer can operate over the entire country is for the system to  be tied into a central computer that keeps track of everything.

X: What about the so-called independent cellular companies?

Y: They are tied in. They have to be able to go on to long  distance lines.

X: Do you think that these independent companies are also in  bed with AT&T involved with mind control?

Y: Of course. They have to be. They are part of the network  and they are all linked electronically.

X: Is this all controlled by the military?

Y: Sure. From what I understand, the master computer for the  cellular system is in Boulder, Colorado. I don't think I have to  tell you what else is in Boulder.

X: The center of the buzz-saw.

Y: Yes. That gives you the government connection. In fact, I  believe that the central cellular computer is in the same  building with the National Bureau of Standards.

X: Oh, my God. What more can you tell me about this videodrome  signal?

Y: Well, about 6 cycles away from the signal is the harmonic  of the power lines. I think that is your reference.

X: Is it pulse or phase modulated?

Y: It appears to be phase modulated.

X: Have you been able to de-modulate this videodrome signal?

Y: Yes. It's coming right over the television at people.

X: Most of the instrumentation in electronics is constructed  to measure a charge couple to mass - the "real"  component of the signal. How do you go about measuring the  complex conjugate component of the signal which is psychoactive -  the relativistic portion of the signal.

Y: That's not an easy task to do. The only way I know to  measure such a signal is by measuring through the zero-point  potential using an old-style regenerative receiver as a detector,  because then you have the positron-electron pairs coupling  through the vacuum and your relativistic functions will affect  the coupling between the positron-electron pairs.

X: Is there a practical test that someone without access to a  lot of instrumentation can use?

Y: Essentially, you can use any detector system. But all the  detectors other than the regenerative type require a correlated  hertzian function in order to pump the detector for it to detect  the non-hertzian component or function. This is what makes a  vacuum tube short wave receiver not fade the way others do. Its  detecting the non-hertzian function, but not directly. If you  move the hertzian part of the signal completely, your receiver  just drops out to complete distortion because all you're getting  is the delta pulses that come through the Dirac sea into the  receiver. A regenerative detector can integrate those Dirac  pulses into a usable function. If you had a white noise source  pump a diode, you could hear the modulations in the white noise  source. The problem is, how are you going to hear a delta pulse  on the speaker in the audio amp? You have to somehow cross-feed  the delta pulse to give you something that is usable.

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