The debriefed, Peter Green, is about to begin and is on now. Ok, this is what: 23rd of June 1982, approximately 17.00 hours. There's a lot to cover here, so I am going to be brief and make reference to the materials I have in front of me, and then if we have questions, we can handle them afterwards because they may be covered as we go.
This will be given from the viewpoint of the missions. Much of my data is because I was involved very closely with the Missions Network and know lots about the interior workings of the Sea Org, so I will tell it from that viewpoint.
Ok. In 1975 or thereabouts, there was a program written by Jane Kember, or issued by Jane Kember in the G.O., and it concerned control of the U.S. Missions. It was a Guardian Order. Basically, the idea was that if the Churches were to be closed down by losing the IRS case or for any other reason, and the doors were padlocked, they could immediately open up the next day by taking over the Missions and setting them up as Orgs. To this end there were certain requirements; incorporation of the Missions having Herbie Parkhouse be on the Board of Directors; having G.O. people be signatories on the bank accounts and so forth.
But the program was, basically, control of the Missions, and it said amongst other things, first they have to --, and there was a program written which was, first: Isolate Kemp from LRH because he has personal comm lines to Ron. Secondly: Comm Ev him and then hold the findings over his head for ten years for good behaviour. And then I think the sequence was Bent Corydon, Ray Kemp, Carl Barney, Wood Shirrell, the major Mission Holders. Alan Walter, of course, was already in trouble.
And this was a secret program that surfaced after the FBI raid, was found under the Freedom of Information Act, and it's part of the papers that were in the FBI's 23,000 pages of documents or whatever.
Ok, in 1976 the Kemps had their Mission in Orange County, a Tustin Mission, taken away from them by Henning Heldt complying with this order and they tried to get justice on standard Scientology lines and had considerable problems. Their petitions to LRH (to try to reclaim the building, about a $2.5 million building, plus their Mission and their mest and their back salary, and so forth, which had been illegally stolen from them) were never passed through. They were found, subsequently, in the FBI documents.
Carl Barney's Mission was stolen from him in 1979 under similar circumstances and Herbie Parkhouse was very instrumental in that.
Now, in 1976, the first document we have here is an Eval issued by Diana Hubbard Horwich (who was then CS-6) on data received from the Guardian World Wide and the Deputy Guardian Finance World Wide, in other words, Jane Kember and Herbie Parkhouse. And that is Aide's Order number 176-2, 5 March 1976, Flag only, Senior Execs and G.O. W.W. Confidential, Franchise Network.
The situation: An individuated Network of Missions who are not forwarding public up the Bridge, and instead are implicated in unusual deals with orgs and milking public for their money, etc.
It is a total outpoint eval, and extremely false. It turns all plus-points of the Missions into out-points and all out-points of the Orgs into plus-points, as you can see by reading it: Data-- the Guardians Office, particularly the Guardian World Wide and Deputy Guardian Finance World Wide (Kember and Parkhouse), have been doing a commendable job of data collection. Also, an Obs Mission from Flag to Franchise Office World Wide was sent. This has resulted in a great abundance of data. The major points of analysis are......
This eval was issued by Lieutenant Commander D.H. Horwich CS-6, approved by CS-6 Action Aide, and the authority for it is SH verification D.M., which is presumably, David Miscavige. The issue is DHH, MI, AD, MSH, Mary Sue Hubbard, for the Board of Directors.
I won't go into what it says because you can read that. As a result of this, a mission was put into training: J.C. Hughes and John Woodruff were sent to World Wide. Mike Davidson, who was a Kha-khan who had been making the Missions' stats go up for 9 consecutive years, had expanded the Mission Network to a point where it accounted for, as early as 1968, 60% of World Wide's Gross Income. He built the Franchise Network to be a major contributing part that wa supporting the G.O. That was from where the funding for the G.O. came: from the tithes from the Missions. And Mike Davidson was summarily removed and thrown in the Estates Project Force, then targeted by Jane Kember who succeeded in doing him in.
1976-77, Bent Corydon had Riverside Mission, which was one of the biggest in the world with 150 staff, stolen from him, largely at the instigation of John Woodruff. And Bent can tell his own story if you are interested.
Then Phil Spickler, old-timer, was fined by John Woodruff who, at that time, was the Deputy or the Franchise Officer U.S. operating out of the Kemp's old Mission in Orange County. And Phil Spickler was fined, I think, $25,000 because he was not charging full rates for auditing. And so John computed what the income would have been if he had charged full rates and then fined him $25,000 for arrears of tithes that would have been paid if he hadn't cut his prices. Phil Spickler's wife sold their house, they paid the bill and he quit his Mission.
Now, under new Management, Mike Davidson long gone, stats are rapidly declining. Also in 1977 or '78, the FBI made a raid on Los Angeles and Washington D.C. And in the same period, 1977, Yvonne Gillham Jentzch died. Basically, I think, because of suppression on her lines. That in itself is another story.
In 1979, after Doran and I finished NOTs we went to World Wide and started an eval on the Mission Network and worked in the Mission Office with Jan Logan, who was Guardian personnel under Jane Kember, who had been put in to bypass the Mission Network. And the Mission Network was now being run by Jane Kember on a via through Jan Logan.
We got very heavily attacked by Jane Kember and by the Mission Office and we tried to handle the price increases and pointed out the suppressiveness of the price increases which were wiping out the Missions. And we didn't get any results other than to be attacked.
We returned to the United States at the end of '79 and became fabian. Then, we began continuing our push to expose Jane Kember as one of the WHOs behind the destruction of the Missions and thereby the destruction of the rest of Scientology.
In June of 1980, Lauri Wood Shirrel, Doran's daughter, died as a result of suppression from the Mission Office. She was under attack, her Mission was under attack and we raised a considerable fuss about this and were declared PTS Type C persons who threatened, sued, embarrassed or attacked the Church.
At that time, the Continental Justice Chief stated that our declares were based upon data from a Senior, or trusted, G.O. terminal whose name was never disclosed. In the PTS declare on us, we were accused of having falsified on NOTs, and claimed to be NOTs completions when, in fact, we had only been given the very beginning, rudimentary beginnings of the Tech. It was a very scurrilous issue.
During the same year, 1980, there was a revelation. '79 and '80 there was, of course, a great deal of revelation in the press about the trials in Washington on Mary Sue and Jane Kember and Mo Budlong, Henning Heldt, Duke Schneider and the rest of the G.O. people who had been indicted.
And in 1980, Mary Sue and the others pleaded guilty. And then Jane Kember and Mo Budlong were extradited and also either pleaded guilty or were found guilty.
Around April of 1981, Bill Franks was appointed the Executive Director International, the job had been offered to Ken Urquhart who had declined it, Bill Franks was appointed for life. There was a Policy Letter (which I don't have a copy of but which can easily be obtained) which stated that Bill Franks was the Senior Ecclesiastical and Management Terminal of the Church of Scientology, was the International Executive Director, there was no higher terminal than himself except the Founder.
John Horwich, who was at that time Diana's husband, told us in a briefing that Ron gave him a job to do which was to align the networks. Ron did an eval and found that one of the problems was the various Networks, the G.O., the Sea Org, the Missions, the LRH Comm Network, the Folo Network, etc., were all at loggerheads and John Horwich was given the program by LRH to align these. And John went ahead, did the job and he found out very very quickly and simply that the G.O. was the culprit and that basically the G.O. was out of comm with the others and was cutting comm and was a problem.
He said: "Oh! That's fine, very good. So he went to Mary Sue and said: "Got it all sorted out, this is what we have to do: Get the G.O. to align its admin scale with the others etc. etc., and to his horror he was immediately attacked very strongly, and he backed off.
In August of '81, there was an Obs mission sent to World Wide and the real data on the G.O. and its criminal activity was uncovered. I have data on that from Jeff Shervell who was a G.O. terminal and is now on a special project for LRH. Somebody started to blow the whistle and said this is what really goes on. As a result of this, David Miscavige, Bill Franks, John Horwich and others (I believe, Norman Starkey, but those 3 for sure) mounted missions to Saint Hill and to L. A. and went in and removed Mary Sue Hubbard and Jane Kember from post and took over the G.O. And John Horwich was with the group that removed Mary Sue.
And Jane pulled a counter-coup and took the G.O. back. Jane, of course, was out in Los Angeles at the time, I think, because of her trial, and they had to go in again. And this time Jane had sixteen B1 bully boys standing around saying "don't you dare" and Jane was going to call the security forces, the rent-a-cop type people with billy clubs to defend her post. Mo Budlong said, "that is crazy, that is insane, that will cause nothing but bad press," and so the G.O. capitulated again, leaving the S.O. to take over the G.O.
Bill Franks then did an evaluation as ED INT on the Guardian's Office, and that evaluation has not been published but is probably available. And his conclusion was that Jane Kember had taken Scientology and turned it 180 degrees around and we had completely black Scientology. There were 2 Scientologies. LRH Scientology and Scientology per Jane Kember's interpretations.
Confirmation of this is that the Assistant Guardian Information Bureau One from Austin, at the second Mission Holder's meeting, told us that his B1 Hat pack was about 3 inches thick. When it was stripped of all the false data and non-LRH issues and stripped of all the Guardian Orders and the Guardian tech, the pack was now about a half-inch thick. The rest of it was false tech.
A campaign or a program was mounted after this eval to 'false data strip' G.O. personnel. Many of the Assistant Guardians immediately changed sides and joined the Sea Org, including Jan Logan who is Guardian staff running the Mission Offices. And many of these G.O. people immediately joined the Sea Org rather sheepishly, because there had been a war between the Sea Org and the G.O. for years and finally the S.O. had won. So they changed sides.
The 'false data stripping' and group-engram running was held under the auspices of the CMO, the IMO and Bill Franks in Los Angeles at Saint Hill, and at Flag. False data stripping is based upon HCOB 7 Aug. 1979 and HCOPL 7 Aug. 79 FALSE DATA STRIPPING and I don't have any details on what was done particularly, but in the course of the false data stripping and the eval an awful lot of crimes, criminality, and noncompliances with LRH orders were revealed.
The busting of the G.O., as I said, was in August of '81. On 15 September, L. Ron Hubbard wrote an issue HCOB 15 September 1981 called THE CRIMINAL MIND- the timing is interesting.
Then came a document called International Conditions Order Number 1, 5 August '81, with distribution to Flag, Folos, G.O., W.W., Continental Guardian Offices, Committee of Evidence, Fred Hare, Jane Kember, David Gaiman, Herbie Parkhouse, Henning Heldt, Duke Schneider, Mo Budlong, Jimmy Mulligan, Ann Mulligan, Rick Merwin, and Nicky Merwin.
In this document, the interested parties are Comm Ev'd by a committee consisting of chairman Lieutenant J.G. David Miscavige, D.M., Ensign Marc Yaeger, Warrant Officer Nelson, Lieutenant Commander Clarice Brusel, and Petty Officer April Hall. They were found guilty, removed from post, stripped of most of their certificates and so forth, but the findings were never published.
On 8 October 1981, Flag Conditions Order 6439 issued at Flag G.O., W.W., Folos Continental, G.O., S.O., Orgs G.O., LRH Comm and Flag Reps, lists the status of Fred Hare, Jane Kember, David Gaiman, Herbie Parkhouse, Henning Heldt, et alia, that many of them have resigned from post entirely. Others have simply been busted.
In between the 5 August '81 Comm Ev on the G.O. people and the eval, Franks was very busy. At the same time, he was trying to handle the 'Get High on Yourself' program, which was a major celebrity program involving Cathy Lee Crosby and Bob Hope. Cathy Wasserman was organizing this. And the result was some national television coverage.
At this time, Alan Walter gets involved (He'd been kicked out of the Franchise Program in 1978, and had his mission taken away from him in the Midwest for the second or third time. His first one was in 1969). Alan went to Franks and told him that many of the old-time Mission Holders and the power leaders in the field were inactive. Such as Doran and myself, Ray Kemp, Bent Corydon, Carl Barney, and Phil Spickler. And Franks was horrified. He didn't know. He thought we were still on post all busy doing our things and running our missions. And he said, "I'm so busy right now with this G.O. clean up, the "Get High On Yourself" celebrity program, I need some help. But as soon as that is finished I will definitely put some attention on this and hold a meeting for the Mission Holders and see if we can get this lot cleaned up."
So in November 81 - no, I'm jumping ahead - so on August 26, 1981 Bill Franks, ED INT, issued Sea Org ED 1789 INT BPI, All Staff, All Public, from Executive Director International. It was called MANAGEMENT CHANGES, and in this issue he told about the management changes and the history, and how the G.O. had turned around and gone adrift.
He says, unfortunately, over the years the Guardian Office went adrift. Factually, the phenomenon of being off-policy and off-source increased over the years. This was not a sudden change, but was a gradual decay in the G.O. by people who "knew best" and started formulating their own policy, sometimes even counter to the Church's best interest etc. etc.
An obvious example might be the criminal cases. Here we have people representing the Church who had gotten themselves involved in a fight with the government, when our very first policy is to maintain friendly relations with the environment. The mistakes made were simply that this policy was not followed and the results were predictably negative for the Church. Any and all criminal actions were done by a handful of individuals. It was not by the Church. Such actions are, in fact, totally counter to Church beliefs and policy, and that's the real truth of it.
Franks told me, subsequently, that in doing his evaluation he found that there were direct orders from LRH not to do anything criminal. That if you do criminal acts you already admit that you have failed because any information can be obtained legally.
Again, from Bill Franks to myself, he said that Mary Sue, (he was out here in Los Angeles), and Mary Sue saw this MANAGEMENT CHANGES issue in the L.A. Times. It was published by the World Press. It was run in the L. A. Times. It was run in the Canadian newspapers. It was featured, I think, four consecutive days by the BBC in England, and it made big headlines or big world press, that the Church of Scientology was cleaning up its act and was admitting that there had been errors and criminality, but now it was straightening out. Mary Sue didn't see this Sea Org ED, she read it in the paper and she called Bill Franks and she said, "Bill, I'm going to get you for this!"
And somewhere in November of '81, Franks kept his promise and organized the first Mission Holders Meeting at Flag. This meeting, which he and Alan Walter had dreamed up to get into comm with, and connect up, the Mission Holders, and the Mission Holders who had been kicked out and the ones who were no longer active, was part of the revitalization program and he wanted to brief them.
And Gordon Cook, who was the new Controller, who was now wearing Mary Sue's hat as Controller, was there and Jens Borgward from the CMO was there. And the first ARC break came when the Mission Holders arrived and the meeting started. Diana Hubbard was there, and Bill Franks was absent. He'd called the meeting and he wasn't there. When asked what was happening we were told that he had been called to Int for some kind of consultation or whatever and was handling an ethics cycle on the 2D.
Jens Borgward conducted the meeting and Ray and Pam Kemp had been invited. When they got there, the story of what had happened to them in 1975 on the theft of their Mission and their illegal Comm Ev and their expulsion and so forth, came out. Admissions were made that the G.O. had gone off-policy and, at that point, Jens Borgward turned to Gordon Cook and said, "Gordon, I think you should handle this cycle." The Kemps had been declared public enemies of Scientology because they were suing the Church and their lawsuit was coming up at that time.
So Gordon Cook arranged a Board of Investigation, a Board of Review, and the findings were published as Sea Organization Flag Conditions Order 6453-1 21st of November 1981 Broad Public Issue, titled BOARD OF REVIEW FINDINGS - RAY & PAM KEMP. In this, it gave the background, and then it found that their whole handling had been totally off-policy, out-ethics.
They had been denied standard Scientology Justice and they were not, in fact, SPs, even though they had filed a suit with the Church and that the only reason for the suit had been because all other lines of justice within the Church had been blocked to them. And even the lawsuit was an attempt to get into communication. So, they were exonerated and were restored to good standing by this issue.
The recommendations in that 6453-1 included a special Board of Review to be inaugurated for a limited period of time, specifically to encourage and hear current Scientology civil litigants' grievances against the Church and seek to resolve these on standard internal lines wherever possible. This special Board would not replace any standard justice recourse actions, but would handle those incorrectly handled by past members of the Guardians Office or other units acting on policies not those of the Founder. The Chairman was Ron Anderson, Secretary Nancy Kass, and Member Nick Fine for Gordon D. Cook, Acting Controller.
This created a tremendous resurgence of hope in Scientology, and various litigants in the Field were dropping their suits, getting into communication. The Kemps were telling people: "Look, you can get justice in Scientology now, even with us. We were expelled and declared and then suing. There is a sanity. There has been a severe reality adjustment. There is a reform movement within the Church and Scientology is getting back its ethics and getting back onto LRH instead of Jane Kember."
This resulted in myself wanting to connect up, Carl Barney wanting to connect up, and it led to the establishment of the second Mission Holders Meeting.
Also at that first meeting, not only did Ray Kemp get restored to good standing and get settlement on his mission, but Bent Corydon, who had been fighting since 1977, was awarded the Riverside Mission back. There was a Board of Investigation there and he was given back the Riverside Mission totally and now is currently running it.
Now, interesting data. Right after that Mission Holders Meeting, Bill Franks watched Vicki Aznaran, CMO, writing an entheta report on this "terrible" Mission Holders Meeting that was being held at Flag. It was a scurrilous report, full of generalities. Bill Franks read it over her shoulders as she was typing it, and said: "Vicki, what the hell is this? You know this is not true, you were not even there." She went out of comm with him.
So the first attack on the Mission Holders Meeting and this reform, came, as far as we can determine, from Vicki Aznaran in the CMO. She is now running and clearing up the US. G.O. She is in Sea Org, CMO running the G.O. at this time.
On December 6 of 1981, a second Mission Holders Meeting was convened. It was set up by SMI, Scientology Missions International, and I have in front of me an issue dated 14th of November 1981. It is a C.S.W. from Tina Meyers, who was Deputy SMI Liaison Flag to the SMI Officer Int Jan Logan, and it's called Operation Connection Number 3. This was issued as an SMI Project Order, issued to SMI Int, SMI Liaison Flag, info to the Office of the Controller, to the CMO Clearwater, to the CMO Int and to the Watch Dog Committee. It set out what the purpose of the meeting was: the project information, the call-in campaign, the operating targets, the vital targets, the primary targets, and it was to continue cleaning up the ARC broken field and get the Mission Holders active and connected up and carry on the good work that was done in the first Mission Holders Meeting.
Doran and I were not present on the first day. We were refusing to go to that meeting. But we received calls from Milt Wolf, from Bent Corydon, from Peter Scupholm, various other Mission Holders, and Carl Barney, who had had 5 Missions stolen from him and a total of 4 million dollars. And since Ray Kemp had gotten justice, and Bent Corydon had gotten justice, and Gordon Cook had talked to Carl and promised that he would have a resolution of his situation, would have justice, Carl persuaded me to go down there.
So we went, with Flag paying our expenses. It turns out that they billed G.O. W.W. for our air fares and expenses, feeling that that was just, since they were the ones who had done us in.
At that meeting it came out that Bill Franks who had convened the first meeting and hadn't been allowed to attend, had gone off to Int and had been placed under guard, 24 hours a day and had had his telephone bugged. And when this came out there was a furor because he had gone to get handling for an out-2D situation. And it turns out that the guy who was conducting the Mission Holder's meeting in Bill's absence had now married Bill Franks' wife, Jeannie.
I do not know the rights and wrongs of this and who had the out-2D. Later charges were brought against Bill Franks for out-2D with Cathy Wasserman, whom he'd been working with on the "Get High On Yourself" program.
But there was an outrage on the part of the assembled Mission Holders, field staff members and SMI personnel over the fact that Bill Franks was the ED, wearing Ron's hat. And who had Authority to place the Senior Management Terminal of the Church under surveillance bug his telephone and place him under restraint? Who in fact had the power to Comm Ev him or to put his ethics in? It wasn't that we objected to his ethics being put in. We wanted to know the command line. There was no policy extant at the time that placed the CMO as his seniors or the Watch Dog Committee as his seniors. We couldn't find out who was in the Watch Dog Committee.
Now, we were protesting that we were being run by an anonymous council. A generality like the G.O. and now this Watch Dog Committee. Who are they? What are they? What do they do? What's their function? What's their purpose? What's their policy. What is the scope of their orders? What issue from LRH has given them any power and authority. We wanted answers to all these questions.
We put Bill Franks on the spot and asked him to explain and he couldn't answer. We asked, "Is this Policy Letter that appoints you ED Int for life, in fact true, or are you just a figure-head. Who does these things? And he pointed to Annie Trascott, who was the representative to CMO INT and the WDC and said, "Ask HER." She squirmed & wriggled and didn't come clean and wouldn't tell us and complained that she was under attack.
What then happened was that Brian McKee, after a while, stood up and said, "I'm tired of all this. I'm tired of the depredations inflicted on us all by the G.O. These hidden data lines, hidden control lines. I am an OT and as far as I am concerned, this group of youngsters who are the messengers should be Bill Franks' juniors. They are Ron's messengers. In the absence of the founder, Bill Franks is wearing Ron's hat and therefore Ron's messengers should be Bill Franks' messengers and I am assigning them now a condition of confusion."
And he wrote out a condition of confusion on them and gave them 30 days to work through the condition and get upgraded by the Executive Director International. At that point, he passed it around and about 30 of us signed it including myself and Doran, most of the Mission Holders who were there and some Sea Org crew such as Frank McCall, David Meyers and Tina Meyers.
And so, the Mission Holders Meeting was supposed to have been Friday night, Saturday and Sunday and then go home. In fact, I think it lasted to the following Thursday because so much data was coming out, so much false data was being stripped. We had something like 200 people who'd come in from all over- from San Francisco, from Dallas, from Austin, from Connecticut, from L.A., i.e., org people, Sea Org people, G.O. people, mission staff and so forth. They begin to tell their stories.
Many of them were horror stories of being ripped-off, raped and black-mailed, or removed from post when they had upstat conditions. Or being given false ethics trips, black P.R. and so forth. And it was, in effect, running out the group engram. It was not, as was alleged, a squirrel-group engram-running. It was simply that the false data was falling away and the truth was emerging.
And people were blowing charge and they were coming back to the truth. For example, one guy will stand up and start telling what had happened to him in D.C. and another one will say, "Well I have some other data on that", and he tells his side of it. Somebody else will say, "I've got something to contribute here because this was what was happening. I, at the time, was on such and such post, I got orders to do so and so, and that was why you got done in because the order came from Bla Bla." Then Blah Blah would have to stand up and tell his side of it.
And it was a connecting up of people, many of them whom were OTs and NOTs people, and they weren't taking any bull shit and they were telling the truth and charge was blowing and truth was coming in. False data was being just blown to pieces and it was an incredible connecting up of people as a true group wanting to connect up with LRH.
And the one thing they were sure of was that LRH was IT and that most of these things were not LRH. They were perversions and corruptions on LRH and they had a feeling they could get Scientology back and get LRH back into Scientology.
And Sue Anderson, who was a PRO, stood up and cried and told us that Ron had not been on the lines and that her comm from him was being corrupted. She produced evidence of advices from LRH which had been censored, where paragraphs had been cut out, and where forgeries had been sent to her. So she thought he was on the line and he wasn't on the line.
And it was just one incredible series of blowdowns of learning the truth. So a demand was made that the CMO and the Watch Dog Committee should appear in front of this meeting and contribute their side of things and explain their relationships. What were their orders. What policy established them. What gave them the right to arrest and bug the telephone of the Executive Director International? Who were these people? Who were the Watchdog Committee and what powers do they have and so forth?
So they flew in, and there was David Miscavige, Marc Yager, Norman Starkey, John Horwich came in, and David Mayo, too. When they finally arrived, it was a fiasco.
At Alan Walter's request, both of the entire Mission Holders Meetings were videotaped to protect us so we wouldn't be misquoted. Also because verbal orders were being given, and if it is not written, it's not true.
For example, on the subject of the prices, somebody asked Peter Crundall of the Westwood Mission to, "Ask Bill Franks what about the prices." And Bill's reply was, "Well you have to charge enough to be a viable mission. But if you price yourself out of the market you will go bankrupt, so why don't you follow LRH policy in Volume 3 and work out the price. But remember, there is a second policy, which is you must not undercut your local Org. So get together with the C.O.s of ASHO and L.A. Org and work out a price for the area."
This, of course, was a verbal order, so we wanted things like this recorded. So it was actually written, it was written on a video tape. My understanding is that these tapes were taken by CMO Int and these are what were used to declare us and to allege a conspiracy to take over the Church and deny it to fully constituted management etc. So they were a double-edged sword.
One of the examples of what had happened was the Assistant Guardian from Austin Org stood up and told a horror story of how he had been recruited into the G.O. He had been a tech C/S and he said, "When I was trained in the G.O., my B1 hat pack was 3-1/2 inches thick and when we stripped out all the false orders and false tech, we were left with a half-inch that was LRH." He said, "Let me tell you what happened when I first joined the G.O. because I decided that I was a tech C/S and was doing well in the Org but I wanted to play a bigger game and run the 3rd dynamic engram instead of just one person at a time:
I went through an apprenticeship in Los Angeles and Jimmy Mulligan said, "What we have to do is get the goods on this guy, he's an enemy of Scientology. He's PTS and he's gonna attack the Church, so I want you to go through his folder and find out what you can."
So I did, wearing my tech hat, and I looked at it. Well, the fellow's in ethics trouble, so prior to that there must be some out-tech and so forth and sure enough I found it. There was the messed-up ethics cycle and prior to that there was a list that was wrong and I was very elated and I went to Jimmy and I said, "Hey I've got it, look what happened, the guy's threatening to sue the Church and prior to that there was this mishandled ethics which was gross and prior to this was a fuck-up in his auditing and here is the wrong C/S and how we correct it."
And Jimmy said, "Wait a minute, hold it everybody, hold it guys. Hey, we got a 'techie' in our midst." I wondered what he was talking about. "Yeah, we got a techie," and he said, "look son, that's not what we want." And for the next couple of hours I was degraded for being a 'techie' and I was told, "What you do is you go through the folder and I don't give a damn about the tech, I want the dirt, the witholds. I want the crimes we can use against him."
I went into degradation. And also in the next 2 hours I was blackened for believing that I could exteriorize. Anybody in the G.O. who thought that they could exteriorize in the G.O. was considered theetie weetie. Anybody who believed that there was such things as perception, that you could look down the hall and see into another, was completely discouraged-- "In the G.O. we're not interested in that, we're interested in facts, in documentation, in affidavits." From there on, that was the last time I made case gain.
And then Joe Leasa stood up and he started telling some of his withholds and his activities in the G.O. and Alan Hubbert got up and said, "In my 7 years in the G.O. I am proud to say that I never once committed any criminal acts."
And immediately, Darby Simpson said, "Well you did with me, on that cycle you handled," and he admitted, "that's true, well I guess that was illegal." And Renee Duke got up and said, "you really were illegal with.... and did this, and that was criminal." And he admitted to that, and then we tried to pull Alan Hubbert's withholds, but he wouldn't come clean and the room knew that this guy was squirming and witholding.
This second meeting consisted of about 5 days of grief, tears of people crying, of hearing other people's horror stories. Doran told the story of Lori's death. I told the story of the attacks on us at Saint Hill after we went there to disseminate NOTS and were the first NOTS completions ever to promote the subject in England.
Jan Logan came in and Doran bopped her and decked her with a right cross which brought in a lot of good indicators, and finally Jan Logan stood up and told the truth about what had happened in England and how Jane Kember had spent 4 hours explaining to Jan (when we were doing the data eval) that Peter Green was S.P. and one of the biggest S.P.s in Scientology. And Doreen Casey contributed that Jane had black PR'd me in 1968.
Other people who had heard stories began to contribute their data, and it turned out in the testimony that Jane Kember had falsely attested to OT III in '68, and had turned sour. All sorts of truths were coming out. Charge was being blown and the results of this meeting were some incredible products.
We revitalized some 30 Class VIIIs and about 60 Class VIs and these people were all wanting to get back into business. And Bill Franks was taking the stops off. He said, "Whatever you want to do, go ahead and do it, provided it is LRH. Don't follow any illegal orders. Ignore BPLs. Ignore Guardian Orders. But if it's on policy and you've wanted to do it, then for God's sake, do it. And they eliminated the multiple mission charters and things like this. If you wanted to open other missions, then open other missions, and there was a huge expansion and revitalization mood and a huge renaissance feeling.
Artie Maren was there and was extremely excited and was going to put out a press release based upon what was happening and make the press right. Basically, his idea was that Scientology had gotten into the hands of a very few criminals per the issue Management Changes and that the members of the Church had now thrown out their suppressive management, meaning the old G.O., and were cleaning up their act. The press release, in effect, would say the 4th estate has done it's job. It has drawn our attention to these things. The FBI has done it's job. It has arrested the criminals, the courts have found them guilty. They're going to jail. Members of the Church never did condone these actions and have now re-aligned themselves to L. Ron Hubbard. And now there's a new management and a new mood and a renaissance within our Church.
And this way would make the press right for the past entheta, but now they could write good things about us and this was the whole mood. Now we're going to expand and we're going to get back to Ron.
Meantime, reports are flying from Los Angeles to CMO and from other people at Flag up to CMO that there is a revolution and a mutiny going on. Vicki Aznaran's writing reports, people are sending telexes to their staff saying to return immediately, do not support this mutiny - what mutiny? Come back to base.
Joe Leasa was ordered back to U.S. GO. He stood up and he said, "If you're looking for a plant in this meeting, don't look any further. I'm it. I was sent out here to find out what you guys are doing and to infiltrate this meeting." And he began to come up with his withholds. He said that when he was ordered back to Los Angeles he sent them a message saying, "No, you come here, this is where Scientology is, we have LRH in our midst and you come and join us."
When he got back he was declared type III and he was put through an Ethics trip. Basically, what was happening was that the false reports were being erased and blown. The 3rd dynamic engram was just disappearing as people reconnected to Ron and eachother and there was a tremendous amount of tears and people crying as they heard horror stories, it was on the 3rd flow. I mean I would hear what had happened to you and I'd choke up over your experience and vice-versa, and it formed, temporarily, a true group.
Then the CMO came in, having been thoroughly inadequately briefed, thinking they were coming to quell a mutiny. When they arrived, David Mayo first began to give a tech briefing and he was told, "David, that's not what we want, we want to get in comm with you guys." And then Norman Starkey stood up and began to handle us by reading What is Greatness - it was totally out of R, you know- it was like you've got to forgive the people you're mad at.
Then finally I stood up and said, "Gentlemen, can I be your spokesman for a few minutes?" The group said "Yea". And I said, "Gentlemen, you're inadequately briefed, you've come here with totally a wrong idea of what's been happening for the last 5 days. This is not a mutiny. We have shed tears. We have bled together. We've suffered together and we have reconnected and we want to connect with you. We want to get our hats on. We want your hats straight. We want Bill Franks' hat. We want Gordon Cook's hat. We want our own hats back.
"And I suggest that right now we're out of ARC and out of comm because you're talking to a picture of something that isn't true and that we adjourn this meeting while you get a briefing and then we'll meet tomorrow."
So I sent everybody to bed and they went off and got a briefing. That night, John Horwich sat with about 10 Mission Holders, Marty Samuels, Bent Corydon, John Woodruff, myself and so on, and gave us the whole history of what had gone on in the G.O., including removing Mary Sue, Alan Walter and Dean Stokes. Others sat and gave a briefing to Miscavige and those guys.
And the next day we got together and there was an apparent EP to the meeting of "OK you guys, we understand you've got your hats back, you can do your job and blah blah blah." At that point, Bill Franks subsequently told me, "Right then I knew I was dead."
And we went back to our various missions and areas and we were told by Gordon Cook and by Bill Franks to continue these meetings. To set up these meetings in the field and let people discharge their charge and do what we'd done at Flag.
So Peter Crundall set up a meeting in the Westwood Mission and Helen Geltman set up one in New York. Someone else set one up in Columbus, Ohio and this type of meeting was held, where the fact was given that there've been two Scientologies. There's been LRH Scientology and there's been this squirrel black Scientology that has come out of the G.O. And that this is false data, and its lies and its criminality and people were beginning to blow their charge and do basically what we'd done at Flag and there was a whole new spirit and the result was that they did set up this permanent board of review.
Now one thing I should mention. At the first Mission Holders meeting the whole subject of the Bureau 1 files had come up: The lies about the Kemps in the B1 Files, the black PR against most senior Scientologists in the B1 files. Gordon Cook and Jens Borgward said, "I don't see any reason why they should even exist, these were to handle enemies of Scientology. They were never to be dossiers on Scientologists." And so Gordon and the others said, "You can go in and see your B1 file and burn the damn thing. There's no reason to have them." And so the B1 files were opened.
So I came back to Los Angeles and Doran and I were ready to go out and connect up and start a Mission. I arranged seminars. I arranged lectures. I arranged to go and do a speaking tour all across the country at new missions. There was a whole expansion movement. There was postulates of opening up. Peter Scupholme was gonna open up 13 new missions. Peter Crundall was going to open up two more missions in L.A. and so on. An incredible revitalization!
So I came back here and this was just before Xmas and I went into the G.O. and asked to see my B1 file and I was told that I couldn't see it. And I contacted Flag and they said somebody's put a stop on it. Allegedly, the stop was from the Watch Dog Committee. I was invited back to Flag by Div 6C.
They decided to use under the OPZ and the 4th Dynamic program to expand the out-reach of Scientology based on an eval done by Diana that had been approved, that had set up Operation 4th Dynamic. Not OPZ. Operation 4th Dynamic. And there were many new ideas of the bridge to the bridge. Of taking LRH stuff out directly to the public instead of via the Orgs, to go out with an out-reach. I can go into that program separately.
As part of this, Riggs Eckelberry wanted to do a series of power hats and he asked me if I would do the Anatomy of the Human Mind Course on video tape. And I also volunteered to do my power hat of the PE Course which I've used in every mission I've ever had. It's basically an LRH P.E. Course of how to reach the general public so that people could buy this videotape and use it in the new SMI programs and the new missions that were coming along.
And there was a whole "let's get the tech out, let's get LRH out". I was asked to do the Anatomy of the Mind data because I was present when Ron did the original Congress with the whole stage thing and I created Ron's mock-ups at the time, so we were flown back to Flag just before Xmas.
At that time I talked to Bill Franks and he said that the Mission Holders meeting was both a triumph and a disaster. It was a triumph in the terms of the products that we got. We got some incredible products: A revitalization and the International stats are just going out the top. But it was a disaster from a PR standpoint because we thoroughly upset the C.M.O. and they didn't understand what was going on.
So he wrote an issue which is S.O. ED 1874 Int of 15 Dec 1981, all staff, Sea Orgs, non-Sea Org, Class IV Orgs, fields, missions and it's called MORE ON MANAGEMENT CHANGES.
And in this he tells something about the Mission Holders meeting, the field expansion, the team effort, the subject of the Boards of Investigations in recognition of the recent renaissance within the Church, the new on-policy and on-source reorganization and changes within the Guardians Office, and setting up a board to hear grievances from all persons who feel they are currently in conflict with the Church or to handle past conflicts that haven't been resolved.
Then, he also said that he wanted to set up an International Management and Field Advisory Board which would be comprised of opinion leaders and people in the field in areas of power, such as representatives from the Missions, such as Martin Samuels, a representative from the legal field, such as the guy who's doing judiciary Dianetics, and somebody from the business field. And set up an Advisory Board to advise management, meaning Bill Franks, on maintaining friendly relations with the environment - first policy.
And so the Advisory Board was put out by Lt. Commander Bill Franks E.D. International and again he's talking about the renaissance, the FEBC Program, the Operation outreach, the 4th Dynamic Operation and the back-up and support and so forth. You can read the issue. I mention that because one of the charges for which Alan Walter was declared SP was for setting up this International Management Field Advisory Board in an attempt to take over the Church and it was declared a squirrel splinter group.
I have here the International Field Advisory Board Admin Scale.
Goal: to broadly advise service and provide good counsel in assisting LRH Scientology Management and the field to maintain friendly relations with the environment and the public.
Purposes: to help individuals and groups attain the results that standard LRH Tech and Admin can produce when standardly applied. To bring to official notice and put on standard lines for remedy any injustices, flubbed cases, ARC broken publics, abuses of Rewards and Penalties P/L (3): to connect upstats and maintain that connection per the Power Formula. This was written and approved as part of the renaissance.
The Stats would be number of recovered Scientologists, number of new people in, number of new groups formed, number of new missions formed, number of new orgs formed, number of LRH books sold, number of winning team members, number of flourishing and prospering advisory boards, number of expansion opportunities identified and exploited.
The V.F.P.would be: Friends who flourish and prosper due to association and connection with other Scientologists, Management and LRH. V.F.P. is an expanded and enhanced World Scientology Community of OTs forming a true group of friends cooperatively and joyfully pursuing future expansion across the dynamics.
Sounds very squirrely and suppressive doesn't it? One of the cognitions we had at these meetings was that the product of an S.P. is enemies. An S.P. is surrounded by enemies and therefore he sees enemies and he makes enemies. And the history of the G.O. under Jane Kember's, Mo Budlong's and others' management had been to create enemies within and without Scientology.
Therefore, that's the product of a true OT and we've decided it would be friends, and Ron's first policy was to maintain friendly relations with the environment. So this was part of Franks' overall expansion and revitalization program and during all of this the stats were going up superbly.
Shortly after I got back from Flag I was declared a suppressive person. So was Brown McKee so was Alan Walter. So was Dean Stokes who had been the Chairman of the second Mission Holders meeting, and Ray and Pam Kemp were re-declared suppressive. Most of these SP declares contained false reports such as that Kemp was setting up the Reform Church of Scientology. He'd never even heard of it.
The Mission Holders meeting which had led to field meetings had led to another meeting in Westwood which I'd helped Peter Crundall conduct and false reports were put in about that and were used in my declare.
I have a document which is a report I wrote to the C.M.O. before I had any idea I was to be declared or was in any kind of trouble and it is to Ron Pook of CMO Int 12 Jan 1982. It's a seven page report which I won't read but which is available.
The spate of declares that came down were on all the people who were very active in this reform movement. Franks was declared and anyone who had been associated with him in trying to get this thing going was also declared. The B1 files were closed and here's additional data.
Between the Mission Holders meeting and my return to Flag Dec 24th, Jane Kember was at a cocktail party in L.A. before Xmas where she was publicly attacking the Westwood Mission meetings and stated that Peter Green and Peter Crundall were running Squirrel-group engrams meetings. And that phrase has occurred ever since in the declares. Stacey Young, who is married to Vaughan Young, told a staff member of mine that Jane Kember was not, in fact, in disgrace but that it was simply a ploy to handle the press and the public. In fact, she was still in good standing. It was just a PR move to publicly disgrace her.
When we phoned trying to get our B1 files, guess who answered the telephone in B1? Jane Kember, exactly. I raised a fuss about this with Gordon Cook, David Miscavige got upset about it and there was an order from the WDC on Kember and Co. saying that she had no status in Scientology and that she was not allowed into B1 except with an escort.
Whilst I was at Flag in January, Bill Franks was removed covertly and secretly and the shore-story was put out that he was on a dental cycle and was on an R and R because of a medical cycle he needed. And the word came out at the second meeting at Westwood at Peter Crundall's mission that Bill Franks had been removed. So had Jan Logan and several others. A BPL came out, written by the WDC published for the Board of Directors, stating that, in fact, the CMO and WDC were Bill Franks seniors and that they had had the right to remove him.
Bill Franks' removal was causing considerable upset in the field because he was a stable datum. He was the ED Int and his removal, which had been covered up by a shore-story resulting in rumours that he was on post, off post, just on a leave, caused a lot of confusion. So there was an Urgent Directive issued by the Watch Dog Committee which suspended Bill Franks from post.
Now, an Urgent Directive denies the person the right of Comm Ev first and removes them without Comm Ev. Policy is you can't remove them without a Comm Ev, except with this Urgent Directive policy that states where the stats are crashing and there's a crisis and a situation. You can remove the person and suspend them temporarily with pay, and then you can have an investigation and if they're found innocent, restore them with full pay.
Dean Stokes at that time started to get very vociferous and started to put out communications and maybe went a little overboard. Brown McKee quit and went to the press. Jane Kember wrote up a report on the Westwood meeting about Jack Horner being there. The reform movement was smashed.
And now we come to Dick Storey. Between the time that I was declared suppressive on the 20th of January and the time that I got expelled, there was a special briefing for West Coast Mission Holders attended by Martin Samuels, Mark Silver, Kingsley Wimbush, John Woodruff, Peter Crundall, Bent Corydon, Jerry Simmonds etc. etc. They were taken in, some of them separately in different groups, dependent upon their degree of antagonism and were given a special inside briefing by Dick Storey who was Mo Budlong's deputy. He was head of B1 Europe, 11 years in the G.O. at Worldwide, and from New Zealand.
His explanation for this sudden spate of declares was something as follows: You see, there was the enemy getting upset because we handled some of the court cases. He omitted the fact that we handled some of the court cases because of the first Mission Holders meeting and the Board of Review on the Kemps which started getting people into comm and seeing that there could be justice.
So we started to handle the court cases and the enemy got upset. They set up a conspiracy and sent in some FBI agents and had plants within the Church and some of these plants are - we've really got a cancer. Storey was saying that there was a cancer within the body of the Church and that some of it was malignant and some of it was benign, the malignant cancers were the enemy, the actual enemy, and benign cancers were unwitting pawns such as Dean Stokes. He was an upstat Scientologist and he certainly wasn't malignant, but he was doing the enemy's work unknowingly.
The story that he told was that Bill Franks' telephone had been tapped and they knew that he was having an out-2D with Cathy Wasserman who was giving him blow-jobs under the table because they had recordings and that she was an F.B.I. plant who had been sent in to subvert loyal officer Bill Franks through 2D and to P.D.H. him. And because of his dental work, he was PDH'd under the guise of dentistry and that had turned Bill Franks into a real weirdo and he had fomented and led this revolution using real enemies such as Alan Walterwho had been working for the IRS for years.
I should say here that Alan Walter has a judgement against him of $100,000 by the I.R.S. and has been the victim of attacks for a long time, so this is a chronic 180 degree vector.
That Cathy Wasserman and Alan Walter had worked Bill Franks over and created this schism between management and the body of the Church, in order to allow the enemy to take advantage, is a precedent used in the Worldwide Church of God a couple of years ago when the membership of the Worldwide Church of God asked the Attorney General to put their Church into receivership because they didn't trust the Board of Directors anymore. This was done.
And so, Storey's briefing was that this was the real reason for the reform movement, was to create dissatisfaction with our management so that the Attorney General or the powers that be, Federal or other agencies, could step in and take over the Church. And he more or less boasted that he, Storey, was the one that had shown the CMO the truth on the matter, because they had no intelligence-gathering capability and he had shown them that the G.O. knew things they didn't know. And that they were very foolish to ignore the expertise of the Bureau One people because he had undertaken to handle this whole rebellion and stamp it out.
And the policy that he was using was the 1 March '66 that established the Guardian, in which Ron talks about wearing his heavy Hussar Hat, and was stamping out the rebellion. Doran wants to say that that policy, if you follow it, says that the guardian may not delegate her powers whatsoever. Dick Storey was not the guardian, so he was off-policy in quoting that policy.
Then Storey gave a briefing to the Sea Org crew, a mandatory briefing, which was secret and told them the policy he was operating off of was THE INDICATORS OF ORGS. This is where, for the good of the Org and to protect the group, you put heads on pikes regardless of whether these people are necessarily good or bad. You put a few prominent heads on pikes to calm the whole scene down.
And he said there probably have been some mistakes and injustices and these people have recourse and we can clear them up in due course. Dick Storey, although the orders were issued under the signature of the International Justice Chief, did tell some of these Mission Holders that the expulsion orders were already written and that if we did not hastily ask for a Comm Ev or do A to E these expulsions would be issued. And he implied that he had written them.
The fact is that Alan Walter asked for a Comm Ev at Flag, his terminal being the Flag MAA. The response he received was an expulsion. I asked my alleged terminal, the Continental Justice Chief, one Melanie Herrick to gather all the reports so that I could confront them, per the policy 16 May 1980 Issue II and so they could be used for a Comm Ev here on the West Coast and the only response I received was an expulsion order.
Apparently, the only acceptable thing was to do A to E. Bob Flat told me that he requested a Comm Ev and asked for the reports so that he could confront the reports that were put in on him and he was told that there were no reports. However, he had been declared on the basis of these reports.
I would at this point say that one of the reasons for the concern on the part of old-time Scientologists, on the part of the Mission Holders at the meeting was because of some statistics given to us by Gordon Cook, by the people in SMI, and by Bill Franks. The statistics that were stated and confirmed by Alan Starkey and the CMO when they came to the meeting was that the Church was spending $750 - $800,000 a month in lawyer's fees. This is money that- if we had not created the enemies and created the lawsuits - could be used for the expansion of Scientology and to pay S.O. staff and to be used for theta purposes.
We were told that there were 180 lawsuits against the Church and $800,000 a month being spent on defending them or prosecuting them. We were given a list of some of the Scientologists who were engaged in actions and lawsuits and asked to get in touch with them and let them know about the Board of Appeals or the Board of Review and there was, at that time, a limited amnesty for litigants against the Church, inviting them to come in and take advantage of the reform, the renaissance and the new mood of justice.
Effectively, by wiping out Franks, by declaring the people who were somewhat active in this movement, the reform was stopped and the B1 files were reinstated - were no longer available. And our investigations have led us to believe that much of the false reports came from the U.S. G.O.
Vicki Aznaran, who started the attack on the first Mission Holders meeting and who was very antagonistic to the Westwood meetings, for your information, is Dean Stokes ex-wife, who left him in Treason some years ago and joined the Sea Org. And she was in close comm with Jane Kember and other people who were loyal Kemberites in the G.O.
The apparency is that the war between the G.O. and the S.O. has swayed back and forth. The S.O. won when they busted Jane, Mo, Herbie, David etc., and then through the G.O. U.S., the G.O. has reasserted its power. Dick Storey, who is from W.W., has effectively persuaded the CMO and the W.D.C. that they still need the old G.O. personnel and this is behind the stamping-out of the Franks' led reform.
Currently, Dick Storey is the AG Flag working hand-in-glove with Kerry Gleason, who was Bill Franks' lieutenant and who took over Franks' post and whose testimony was used in the SP declare on Lieutenant Commander Bill Franks.
In present time - this is June, six months later- the statistics are that Franks' and most of Ron's friends seem to have been removed, offloaded or left Flag. Even Jan Logan, who was the SMI Officer working with the reform movement, has now been busted and is removed as Mission Officer and I understand is in the R.P.F. David Meyers, who was my liaison, has been removed from SMI. His wife Tina has been put into the nursery looking after the children. Riggs Eckelberry, who videotaped everything, has been expelled. Joe Leasa has disappeared from view.
The A.G. Austin was even, whilst we were at Flag and while the meeting was going on, the G.O. in Austin put out the word that he had gone over to the enemy, was no longer to be trusted. The locks on the door and the files in the Austin G.O. were changed. His wife was told that he had gone crazy and gone to the enemy. She said, "No, he is at Flag right now," and they said, "No he is not." And we received this report while the Mission Holders meeting was going on, that this fellow was now some kind of fugitive and if he were found he should be apprehended because he was dangerous. So the Mission Holders meeting was being black P.R.'d whilst it was going on as an enemy activity.
Dean Stokes applied for a Comm Ev which was held in Los Angeles. The committee consisted of Peter Gillham, old-time Mission Holder, Scientologist Dorothy Broadhead, ex-Mission Holder, now G.O. S.O. staff, and Bent Corydon, Mission Holder. Dean's Comm Ev was held very much following policy and was based upon the promise that was given at Flag by Jens Borgward, by Bill Franks, and by Gordon Cook, that anything he said would not be actionable. It was to be 'treated as session data and please do not suppress anything and any data you have, anything you have to say, please just say it, and don't suppress. Don't withold.'
All of the statements that were made at Flag in the Mission Holders meeting that were supposed to be session data were subsequently used in the Declares.
The fact was established in Dean's first Comm Ev that this was session data and he was found not guilty of any High Crimes or suppressive acts. He was found guilty of a crime from a time when he'd just gotten declared and G.O. staff went to see him in Austin, he shoved the guy in a restaurant and created a fracas which put Scientology at risk because the Authorities or police might have been called. Other than that, his name was cleared. Soon thereafter, that Comm Ev was cancelled by Issue Authority, the Committee was declared in Non-Existence and were ordered to Cramming. A new Comm Ev was convened on Dean, this time with three G.O. Personnel.
Dean's a Class VIII, an O.T. and he is a prominent Field Scientologist. He was entitled to a Comm Ev by his peers. None of the people on his second Comm Ev were OTs. None of them were trained Class VIs or Class VIIIs and none of them were from the Field. They were G.O. personnel. One of them was in a Condition of Liability and, as part of his Liability formula, was serving on the Committee, perhaps to strike a blow to the the enemy. This Comm Ev found Dean totally guilty of everything, per U.S. G.O. Ethics Order 8 94/1 of the 26th March 1982 BPI.
As a result, Dean's Declare was upheld and the parties in this were Nancy Nelson, Linda McNally, Stephen Adams, Howard D. Becker, and somebody whose signature I can't read. The Convening Authority was Paul Thrower T/Deputy Guardian Management Services Bureau for Lottie Zern D/Guardian U.S. and it makes very interesting reading.
Specific False Reports in the S.P. Declares can be gone into separately for whatever there was, but this basically concludes the debrief on the sequence of events of Franks' rise to power, the cleaning up of the criminal activities of the G.O., and the revitalization movement and the way in which it was smashed.
I think you will find a few strings in this debrief that are worth pulling that may open up another can of worms.
Today's date is the 23rd June 1982.
This is Peter Green signing off.