The Alien Interview

This is September the 5th, 2017.

Recently I ran into the "Alien Interview", based on documents provided by the former army nurse Mathilda OŽDonnell MacElroy.

A friend sent it to me and asked me for my opinion. First I thought... well... that's just another esoteric alien story... boring...

In a nutshell: The story is about the alien pilot who survived the crash. Mathilda was a nurse in the army and she took care of the being. She discovered that she could telepathically communicate with him. The information she got was published in 2007. 

I read through the document to chapter 6 where the mission to the Himalaya was mentioned. That was the first time when I thought... "you heard that before". L. Ron Hubbard mentioned this in his lectures in the 50s and 60s.

My first thought... well somebody constructed this "Alien Interview" out of some of Hubbard's lectures. So I was very doubtful and suspicious. Even "time", "place" and "event" as you will see, is identical... even to the number of beings involved.

So I decided to look it a bit deeper and share the results with you.

Hubbard was born 1911. End of the 40s he completer his first research ino the human mind. In 1950 he published “Dianetics, the modern Science of Mental Health”. In 1952 he founded Scientology because he saw that the mind wasn’t really the target. In his Dianetics procedures he found out that people where running past lifes. This put him to the question who this obviously immortal being was that could jump to other lifes. This led him to Scientology, the “science of how to know” (see philosophy page). His organization is now in the hands of the “Old Empire”.

Excuse me when my English is a bit clumsy. It's not my native language.

First I would like to give you some definitions here.

 

Alien Interview

L. Ron Hubbard

Is-Be

"Personally, it is my conviction that all sentient beings are immortal spiritual beings. This includes human beings. For the sake of accuracy and simplicity I will use a made-up word: "IS-BE". Because the primary nature of an immortal being is that they live in a timeless state of "is", and the only reason for their existence is that they decide to "be".

The alien pilot calls himself and basically all life-units “Is-Be’s”.

Hubbard calls it "Thetan": It is the immortal life-unit... the true "self" or "I" which leaves the body after death.

Quote: "...the living unit we call, in Scn, a thetan, that being taken from the Greek letter theta, the mathematic symbol used in Scn to indicate the source of life and life itself.

... the name given to the life source. It is the individual, the being, the personality, the knowingness of the human being."

The Domain

...the body was quite short and petite. About a 40 inches (about 1 meter) tall.

...Airl (name of the being) explained to me that it was not mechanical, like a robot, nor was it biological.

...Her "doll" body is not a biological life form...

... She, as well as all of the other IS-BEs of the officer class and their superiors, inhabit these "doll bodies" when they are on duty in space.

 

 

 

 

 

Chapter 17:

Domain people: ... whose bodies look more like insects than mammals, especially their hands...

Hubbard calls the the “Fifth Invader Force”:

One of the Fifth Invader Force, an officer, came down here to take a survey, and this is very adventurous. And in order to take a decent survey of the place - of course, you understand the Fifth Invader Force officer carries a doll.

They don’t carry bodies, they carry dolls. Their identification is a doll. It’s a very little, flimsy, mechanical affair that you can make talk and walk and so forth. They’re cute, they’re about a meter tall, they’re very light.

You have this little doll, and the thetan energy that a fellow puts out is quite sufficient to monitor the control switchboard in the back of the doll, that’s all. I mean, simple. And he tunes it up, he’s got his wavelength tuned to it and so on and it’s - he can walk it around (Oct. 30, 1952: The Role of Earth)

...A thetan from the Fifth Invader Force believes himself to be a very strange insect-like creature with unthinkably horrible hands. (Book: Scn 8-8008)

The "Old Empire"

 

Hubbard refers to them as the “Fourth Invader Force” and the “Marcab Conferderacy”.

...various planets united into a very vast civilization which has come forward up through the last 200,000 years, is formed out of the fragments of earlier civilizations. (SH Spec 291, 6308C06)

The red thread through the story is an incident in which the Domain people or Fifth Invaders did an expedition to the Himalaya region. They were attacked by the “Old Empire” or “Fourth Invaders” and lost a crew of 3000 people.

Hubbard got his data from the people he audited. The procedure is that an Auditor, somebody trained in the Dianetics or Scientology procedures, coaches his counterpart through his time-track to erase incidents from the past.

In his lectures he sometimes summarized the data he got. By auditing lots of people he found that there are basically three types of incidents:

 

This is the incident of the Himalaya expedition (Chapter 7):

Alien Interview

Hubbard

She told me that The Domain Expeditionary Force first entered into the Milky Way galaxy very recently - only about 10,000 years ago. Their first action was to conquer the home planets of the "Old Empire" (this is not the official name, but a nick-name given to the conquered civilization by The Domain Forces) that served as the seat of central government for this galaxy, and other adjoining regions of space. These planets are located in the stars systems in the tail of the Big Dipper constellation. She did not mention which stars, exactly.

This planet was part of a larger federation, an earlier federation, and passed out of its control due to losses in war and other such things. This isn't its right name, but we have often referred to it in the past as the Markab Confederacy and it has been wrongly or rightly pointed to as one of the tail stars of the Big Dipper. (1963, Aug. 6: Auditing Comm Cycles)

About 1,500 years later The Domain began the installation bases for their own forces along the path of invasion which leads toward the center of this galaxy and beyond. About 8,200 years ago The Domain forces set up a base on Earth in the Himalaya Mountains near the border of modern Pakistan and Afghanistan. This was a base for a battalion of The Domain Expeditionary Force, which included about 3,000 members.

They set up a base under or inside the top of a mountain. The mountain top was drilled into and made hollow to create an area large enough to house the ships and personnel of that force. An electronic illusion of the mountain top was then created to hide the base by projecting a false image from inside the mountain against a "force screen".

The ships could then enter and exit through the force screen, yet remain unseen by homo sapiens.

Shortly after they settled there the base was surprised by an attack from a remnant of the military forces of the "Old Empire". Unbeknownst to The Domain, a hidden, underground base on Mars, operated by the "Old Empire", had existed for a very long time. The Domain base was wiped out by a military attack from the Mars base and the IS-BEs of The Domain Expeditionary Force were captured.

You can imagine that The Domain was very upset about losing such a large force of officers and crew, so they sent other crews to Earth to look for them. Those crews were also attacked. The captured IS-BEs from The Domain Forces were handled in the same fashion as all other IS-BEs who have been sent to Earth. They were each given amnesia, had their memories replaced with false pictures and hypnotic commands and sent to Earth to inhabit biological bodies. They are still a part of the human population today.

The Fifth Invader Force came in to use this area and operated for some time here in this system without suspecting the existence of the 4th Invader Force. And they started to lose crews, they didn't know where they were going. They got upset about it, and the 3rd Battalion was sent down here to Earth 8200 years ago. The whole battalion was under the command of the expeditionary force commanding officer, not for just this area.

They came down in the Himalayas, about 72 miles northwest of Khaiber Pass, and put a base in there. Still not believing that there was anything like an Invader Force operating in this system, failed to take any vaguest precautions with regard to their installations. After all, what was here? Nothing but homo-sapiens, no danger, no menace.

They were in this installation just a very short time when, with a terrific crash, the 4th Invader Force, which was a little more active then than it has become since, knocked out this whole battalion. A battalion of that size is in the neighborhood of about 3000 beings.

They picked up all of its staff officers and took them through to Mars, and then knocked them back into this human race here. (Oct. 30, 1952: The Role of Earth)

About 1,000 years later the "Old Empire" base was discovered by accident in the spring of 1914 AD. The discovery was made when the body of the Archduke of Austria was "taken over" by an officer of The Domain Expeditionary Force. This officer, who was stationed in the asteroid belt, was sent to Earth on a routine mission to gather reconnaissance.

The purpose of this "take over" was to use the body as a "disguise" through which to infiltrate human society in order to gather information about current events on Earth. The officer, as an IS-BE, having greater power than the being inhabiting the body of the Archduke, simply "pushed" the being out and took over control of the body.

However, this officer did not realize how much the Hapsburgs were hated by feuding factions in the country, so he was caught off guard when the body of the Archduke was assassinated by a Bosnian student. The officer, or IS-BE, was suddenly "knocked out" of the body when it was shot by the assassin. Disoriented, the IS-BE inadvertently penetrated one of the "amnesia force screens" and was captured.

.... The Domain officer who was "assassinated" while in the body of Archduke of Austria was, likewise, captured by the "Old Empire" force. Because this particular officer was a high powered IS-BE, compared to most, he was taken away to a secret "Old Empire" base under the surface of the planet Mars. They put him into a special electronic prison cell and held him there.

Fortunately, this Domain officer was able to escape from the underground base after 27 years in captivity. When he escaped from the "Old Empire" base, he returned immediately to his own base in the asteroid belt. His commanding officer ordered that a battle cruiser be dispatched 77 (Footnote) to the coordinates of the base, provided by this officer, and to destroy that base completely. This "Old Empire" base was located a few hundred miles north of the equator on Mars in the Cydonia region.

So, here’s a doll. He’s monitoring this doll. And he parked his doll and picked up one of the persons connected with the ruling house of Hapsburg and went on a survey of the domain, and took notes on it.

 And unfortunately, he didn’t have any foggy notion of how violently this particular prince was hated. And this prince was assassinated. And before this officer could disconnect and so forth, the thetan charge which suddenly sprung up in the assassinated prince, KABOOM!, was sufficient to overwhelm and overpower this officer momentarily, and he went through the screen.

And he went through the screen, KABOOM! And he landed on an installation - well, about a few hundred miles north of the equator (what you would consider north, just trying to translate the words and directions) on Mars. Boom! He went through. And the Martians “Oh, boy! What have we got here? Ha Ha! Wonderful, Wonderful! A high volume thetan! He must be a space officer from some place or other.”

So, they took a couple of standards, put them down at the foot of the cell and so forth, because they have a good identification through a body in pawn and so forth, and they decided they were going to use him back here against Earth.

He wouldn’t transport! So they just threw him in the clink, you might say, and kept him there. Just kept him there and kept him there and kept him there and kept him there. And one fine day he took the body in pawn and threw it through the guard screen and blew it up - was able to do this – and himself got free on the back-concussion, you see, of this explosion, and went out.

He went back down to a station we’ll call “X” and said, “Where have I been for the last twenty-seven years! Hmph!” Something of - on the order, “You should ask!” And he wrote out a chit, and they got a couple of cruisers and they put together a few commando forces and they took that installation to pieces - but thoroughly to pieces. And they took what Martians were in that installation and so forth, and put them in cans. As far as anybody knows, they’re still up there. But blew this thing practically off the face of the map. Most Martian stations are much tougher than this to crack. (Oct. 30, 1952: The Role of Earth)

 

From “A Lesson In Recent History” (Chapter 8)

Alien Interview

Hubbard

The Domain conquest of the central "Old Empire" planets was fought with electronic cannon. 

The citizens of the planets forming the core of government for the "Old Empire" are a filthy, degraded, slave society of mindless, tax-paying workers, who practice cannibalism. Violent automotive race tracks and bloody, Roman circus type entertainments are their only amusements.

Regardless of any reasonable justification we may have had for using atomic weapons to vanquish the planets of the "Old Empire", The Domain is careful not to ruin the resources of those planets by using weapons of crude, radioactive force.

The current U.S. civilization is beginning to mimic some of the trappings of that civilization, especially in the design of airplanes, automobiles, ships, trains, and telephones. Likewise, buildings in the cities of Earth are thought to be "modern" or "futuristic" if their design resembles the architecture of the "Old Empire".

These conformists are pretty weird and the personnel of that particular society is pretty scummy, to say the least. Let's supposing you were in the last shambling wreckage of a redlight district, you'd have hightoned personnel compared to the personnel which makes up the other planets I'm talking to you about.

They practice cannibalism. The stuff you get on racetracks, this Roman Circus type entertainment, all that kind of stuff, that's all out of this zone and area. We're still with that planetary system. (<2635> Auditing Comm Cycles)

In the last 10,000 years, they have gone on with a sort of decadent, kickedinthehead civilization that contains automobiles, business suits, fedora hats, telephones, space ships  a civilization which looks almost the exact duplicate, but is worse off, than the current U.S. civilization. Therefore, you find the current U.S. and Western civilization rather restimulative because it has moved up to look like the Marcabian Civilization.

 

 

State of this Planet

The following data is an extract from a lecture Hubbard gave on the 6th of August 1963. It’s title is: Auditing Comm Cycles - Definition of an Auditor.

You will find a lot of similarities to the “Alien Interview” concerning the current state of this planet and this part of the universe.  For better understanding I put in some common words (in brackets) when he is unsing some Scientology terms.

Quote: “... This planet was part of a larger federation, an earlier federation, and passed out of its control due to losses in war and other such things. This isn't its right name, but we have often referred to it in the past as the Markab Confederacy and it has been wrongly or rightly pointed to as one of the tail stars of the Big Dipper.

All of this sounds very Space Operaish and all that sort of thing, but I am not one to quibble about the truth.

These various planets united into a very vast civilization which has come forward up through the last two hundred thousand years, formed out of the fragments of earlier civilizations.

I can't tell you accurately exactly what these blokes are up to or where they're from, but this isn't quite germane to this galaxy. That's the first thing you should know about it. It isn't quite native to your track.

You find a type of mental implanting and that sort of thing going on here in the last couple of hundred thousand years which are not native to your earlier track. This is all very important because they have the problem of people who are native to this galaxy and aren't used to this kind of thing.

They have the basic problem of "how do you kill a thetan? (a spiritual being)" And that's a terrible problem to men who have very very guilty consciences and blood on their hands.

Probably the best way to hide your overts (crimes) is to give somebody amnesia, then they don't know what you've done to them, and then tell them something else has happened.

This is a dramatization of a very craven intelligence and that is what is going on here. The fellow who conforms to that society is in no vast trouble. Perhaps some bloke who has a military record against them and that sort of thing might possibly, no matter what he did, find himself unable to satisfactorily conform. Their ideal is the conformist.

These conformists are pretty weird and the personnel of that particular society is pretty scummy, to say the least. Let's supposing you were in the last shambling wreckage of a redlight district, you'd have hightoned personnel compared to the personnel which makes up the other planets I'm talking to you about.

They practice cannibalism. The stuff you get on racetracks, this Roman Circus type entertainment, all that kind of stuff, that's all out of this zone and area. We're still with that planetary system.

They specialize in the fellow who will conform. He ordinarily is a worker who is content to draw wages and not do another single blessed thing, never really get out and improve his lot and keep on plugging along somehow, or even slump into indigence. He's still their choice of personnel. So this leaves the brilliant artist, the brilliant engineer, the manager, the genius, the criminal and the pervert, nonpersonagrata.

They sentence these people, the upper class, the brighter gent, because they can't control him and they're afraid of him, and the lower class because it's too vicious even for them. They condemn these people to perpetual amnesia. "Dead forever," they call it  the problem of killing a thetan. Wrap them up in moth balls and ship them down here and here we are.

That is the population of this planet, a population of minimal workers, maximal managers, artists, geniuses, criminals and perverts. What are you going to make out of this lot? Those are the blokes you're talking to when you say, "Add up the lefthand column of the ledger."

The artist says he could add it up much more prettily. The guy who was a very skilled manager, he says he could devise a much better system. If the bird's a criminal, he's just sitting there trying to figure out how he can add it up so he can short you.

There's your zone of operation, there's your response to 8C (control) in trying to get an organization running. It's all alteris (twisted truth) because the basic crime was not "being a criminal," the basic crime was "not conforming."

In the last 10,000 years, they have gone on with a sort of decadent, kickedinthehead civilization that contains automobiles, business suits, fedora hats, telephones, space ships  a civilization which looks almost the exact duplicate, but is worse off, than the current U.S. civilization. Therefore, you find the current U.S. and Western civilization rather restimulative because it has moved up to look like the Markabian Civilization.

It's been moving up here rather rapidly and now we're at a point of a very high level of restimulation because automobile, train, ship design and the fire engines and the stuff you do with men's clothes particularly, all of these things are the same image. So you're going in time into a highly restimulative era. This society at the present time looks very dangerous.

One of the highest crimes that you could pull in that Markabian society is income tax, you make one comma wrong and it's dead forever. So they've got everybody paying income tax. Awfully restimulative.

Probably nothing much wrong with income tax were it administered as a tax, but it isn't. It's administered as a punishment, even on this planet today. It's one of the prime punishments in the Markabian society.

But that's the point  here you are. That is this planet.

You start hitting people here with materials of this particular type and it restimulates a terrific unreality, it restimulates amnesia. I've been hit with some awful heavy force in this universe without losing my mind or forgetting who I am.

It's almost unbelievable force that's used to handle a thetan and put him into this kind of condition. Every once in a while, you get mad at government on this planet when in actual fact, you're mad at the Markabian government.

It's pretty heavy duress and you restimulate that very easily by telling people things. It gets awful unreal. But you would find, if you gave them the actual dope, they would be far more in agreement with you than if you gave them just a touch of the dope.

You are handling people who are revolutionaries, they are nonconformists. Probably the common denominator of this planet is revolution. Probably the one thing you could always start on this planet would be a revolution.

Try to hold any organization of any kind together, and it becomes almost impossible because everybody you're dealing with is a nonconformist. You are handling, therefore, the roughest case that you could find in the universe.

All of this adds up to an era going on right now, highly restimulative associations in the civilization, and therefore a high felt level of danger. People feel like they are in danger. Scientologists hearing me talk like this feel even more in danger. They say those guys are liable to land here tomorrow.

Gents of this character, who have a system worked out this way, the last thing in the world they'd do would be to blow their own game. They know that great riots are attended by this, that a landing in force, without any equivocation that it had been a landing, would be liable to restore everybody's memory.

I think that's what they feel. These guys are not going to blow their own show. And to give the devil his due, they know the problems exist and they couldn't have had any decent solution or they wouldn't have taken the route to solution which they have.

They are beings, too. Remember that.” End of quote.


 

Earth as a Prison Planet

Quote:

... But completely aside from that fact, Earth has been used consistently as a prison; and it is a prison, and it is heavily screened. There are installations in Mongolia, there are installations in the Pyrenees here on Earth, and there are installations down in the Mountains of the Moon in Africa which pick up, very often, people on death. And the thetan just doesn’t know what’s going on. He’s in a state of deep hypnosis, really, and the moment he finds himself in association with a dead body, the thing keys and he reports to where he’s supposed to go.

And he’s changed and moved around here and there and comes back down.

Really, from death back to assumption of a new body and so on, is ordinarily a time period of about fifteen minutes, and he has three engrams (trauma incidents) in those fifteen minutes: 1) The death, 2) The wipeout and implant between lives, and 3) The assumption - knocking out the GE (Genetic Entity) and taking over a body at birth. (Oct. 30, 1952: The Role of Earth)

... Well I know this, that onto this planet a great deal of dumping has gone on. Stuff from the nearby galaxy, not this galaxy but the next galaxy over and so forth gone on there. So they take political prisoners and guys who they don't want around but it is less personal than they think. They just have excess population so they start to get rid of their excess population you see. They've got a revolt or you're on the wrong side of a war or something like that and they pick you up in droves and ice-cube you and throw you into a sea someplace.

I know this planet has been subjected to that and several planets in the immediate end of this galaxy been subjected to that. That I know. But somebody must have taken a great deal of interest in this fact and somebody must be awfully afraid. Somebody must be awfully afraid, you can almost say it isn't so many, how many are here it might also be a question of who's here. (Between Lives Implants, 23 July 1963)


Finally... what is your opinion on it?

If this is just a hoax, what it most likely is, then we can laugh about it and continue our daily routines.

At least you now know the sources which were used for it. And the author of this document “Alien Interwiev” must be very familiar with it.

When you look up Hubbard or Schientology on the net, you just get horror messages. Hubbard probably was one of the most hated men by the establishment. They really didn’t want his message to spred around the planet. And they succeeded so far. The picture most people immediately get when they here "Hubbard" is that he is a crazy science fiction writer. And since beginning of the 1980s they are in control of the church. If you are interested in details you can find ist here (Chronology).

Those who were interested in their own sanity left the church in the beginning of the 80s. Bill Robertson, who worked closely together with Hubbard, basically started the free zone.

Hubbard found the solution to escape this trap of implants an amnesia as it is called in the Alien Interview. He developed a “bridge” out of it. Bill Robertson gave a some lectures on it.

 

That’s all.