This is September the 5th, 2017.
Recently I ran into the "Alien Interview", based on documents provided by the former army nurse Mathilda O’Donnell MacElroy.
Roswell New Mexico: UFO crash July 8, 1947. One person, the pilot, survived.
Mathilda is born in 1924. She was 23 when she did the interviews. Interviews taken: 8. July 1947 - 12. August 1947
14th of September 2007: Lawrence R. Spencer received the material from an anonymous address. In a letter Mathilda said she is 83 years old and she decided to leave her body. She wants to make it public.
A friend sent it to me and asked me for my opinion. First I thought... well... that's just another esoteric alien story... boring...
In a nutshell: The story is about the alien pilot who survived the crash. Mathilda was a nurse in the army and she took care of the being. She discovered that she could telepathically communicate with him. The information she got was published in 2007.
I read through the document to chapter 6 where the mission to the Himalaya was mentioned. That was the first time when I thought... "you heard that before". L. Ron Hubbard mentioned this in his lectures in the 50s and 60s.
My first thought... well somebody constructed this "Alien Interview" out of some of Hubbard's lectures. So I was very doubtful and suspicious. Even "time", "place" and "event" as you will see, is identical... even to the number of beings involved.
So I decided to look it a bit deeper and share the results with you.
Hubbard was born 1911. End of the 40s he completer his first research ino the human mind. In 1950 he published “Dianetics, the modern Science of Mental Health”. In 1952 he founded Scientology because he saw that the mind wasn’t really the target. In his Dianetics procedures he found out that people where running past lifes. This put him to the question who this obviously immortal being was that could jump to other lifes. This led him to Scientology, the “science of how to know” (see philosophy page). His organization is now in the hands of the “Old Empire”.
Excuse me when my English is a bit clumsy. It's not my native language.
First I would like to give you some definitions here.
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The red thread through the story is an incident in which the Domain people or Fifth Invaders did an expedition to the Himalaya region. They were attacked by the “Old Empire” or “Fourth Invaders” and lost a crew of 3000 people.
Hubbard got his data from the people he audited. The procedure is that an Auditor, somebody trained in the Dianetics or Scientology procedures, coaches his counterpart through his time-track to erase incidents from the past.
In his lectures he sometimes summarized the data he got. By auditing lots of people he found that there are basically three types of incidents:
The following data is an extract from a lecture Hubbard gave on the 6th of August 1963. It’s title is: Auditing Comm Cycles - Definition of an Auditor.
You will find a lot of similarities to the “Alien Interview” concerning the current state of this planet and this part of the universe. For better understanding I put in some common words (in brackets) when he is unsing some Scientology terms.
Quote: “... This planet was part of a larger federation, an earlier federation, and passed out of its control due to losses in war and other such things. This isn't its right name, but we have often referred to it in the past as the Markab Confederacy and it has been wrongly or rightly pointed to as one of the tail stars of the Big Dipper.
All of this sounds very Space Operaish and all that sort of thing, but I am not one to quibble about the truth.
These various planets united into a very vast civilization which has come forward up through the last two hundred thousand years, formed out of the fragments of earlier civilizations.
I can't tell you accurately exactly what these blokes are up to or where they're from, but this isn't quite germane to this galaxy. That's the first thing you should know about it. It isn't quite native to your track.
You find a type of mental implanting and that sort of thing going on here in the last couple of hundred thousand years which are not native to your earlier track. This is all very important because they have the problem of people who are native to this galaxy and aren't used to this kind of thing.
They have the basic problem of "how do you kill a thetan? (a spiritual being)" And that's a terrible problem to men who have very very guilty consciences and blood on their hands.
Probably the best way to hide your overts (crimes) is to give somebody amnesia, then they don't know what you've done to them, and then tell them something else has happened.
This is a dramatization of a very craven intelligence and that is what is going on here. The fellow who conforms to that society is in no vast trouble. Perhaps some bloke who has a military record against them and that sort of thing might possibly, no matter what he did, find himself unable to satisfactorily conform. Their ideal is the conformist.
These conformists are pretty weird and the personnel of that particular society is pretty scummy, to say the least. Let's supposing you were in the last shambling wreckage of a redlight district, you'd have hightoned personnel compared to the personnel which makes up the other planets I'm talking to you about.
They practice cannibalism. The stuff you get on racetracks, this Roman Circus type entertainment, all that kind of stuff, that's all out of this zone and area. We're still with that planetary system.
They specialize in the fellow who will conform. He ordinarily is a worker who is content to draw wages and not do another single blessed thing, never really get out and improve his lot and keep on plugging along somehow, or even slump into indigence. He's still their choice of personnel. So this leaves the brilliant artist, the brilliant engineer, the manager, the genius, the criminal and the pervert, nonpersonagrata.
They sentence these people, the upper class, the brighter gent, because they can't control him and they're afraid of him, and the lower class because it's too vicious even for them. They condemn these people to perpetual amnesia. "Dead forever," they call it the problem of killing a thetan. Wrap them up in moth balls and ship them down here and here we are.
That is the population of this planet, a population of minimal workers, maximal managers, artists, geniuses, criminals and perverts. What are you going to make out of this lot? Those are the blokes you're talking to when you say, "Add up the lefthand column of the ledger."
The artist says he could add it up much more prettily. The guy who was a very skilled manager, he says he could devise a much better system. If the bird's a criminal, he's just sitting there trying to figure out how he can add it up so he can short you.
There's your zone of operation, there's your response to 8C (control) in trying to get an organization running. It's all alteris (twisted truth) because the basic crime was not "being a criminal," the basic crime was "not conforming."
In the last 10,000 years, they have gone on with a sort of decadent, kickedinthehead civilization that contains automobiles, business suits, fedora hats, telephones, space ships a civilization which looks almost the exact duplicate, but is worse off, than the current U.S. civilization. Therefore, you find the current U.S. and Western civilization rather restimulative because it has moved up to look like the Markabian Civilization.
It's been moving up here rather rapidly and now we're at a point of a very high level of restimulation because automobile, train, ship design and the fire engines and the stuff you do with men's clothes particularly, all of these things are the same image. So you're going in time into a highly restimulative era. This society at the present time looks very dangerous.
One of the highest crimes that you could pull in that Markabian society is income tax, you make one comma wrong and it's dead forever. So they've got everybody paying income tax. Awfully restimulative.
Probably nothing much wrong with income tax were it administered as a tax, but it isn't. It's administered as a punishment, even on this planet today. It's one of the prime punishments in the Markabian society.
But that's the point here you are. That is this planet.
You start hitting people here with materials of this particular type and it restimulates a terrific unreality, it restimulates amnesia. I've been hit with some awful heavy force in this universe without losing my mind or forgetting who I am.
It's almost unbelievable force that's used to handle a thetan and put him into this kind of condition. Every once in a while, you get mad at government on this planet when in actual fact, you're mad at the Markabian government.
It's pretty heavy duress and you restimulate that very easily by telling people things. It gets awful unreal. But you would find, if you gave them the actual dope, they would be far more in agreement with you than if you gave them just a touch of the dope.
You are handling people who are revolutionaries, they are nonconformists. Probably the common denominator of this planet is revolution. Probably the one thing you could always start on this planet would be a revolution.
Try to hold any organization of any kind together, and it becomes almost impossible because everybody you're dealing with is a nonconformist. You are handling, therefore, the roughest case that you could find in the universe.
All of this adds up to an era going on right now, highly restimulative associations in the civilization, and therefore a high felt level of danger. People feel like they are in danger. Scientologists hearing me talk like this feel even more in danger. They say those guys are liable to land here tomorrow.
Gents of this character, who have a system worked out this way, the last thing in the world they'd do would be to blow their own game. They know that great riots are attended by this, that a landing in force, without any equivocation that it had been a landing, would be liable to restore everybody's memory.
I think that's what they feel. These guys are not going to blow their own show. And to give the devil his due, they know the problems exist and they couldn't have had any decent solution or they wouldn't have taken the route to solution which they have.
They are beings, too. Remember that.” End of quote.
Quote:
... But completely aside from that fact, Earth has been used consistently as a prison; and it is a prison, and it is heavily screened. There are installations in Mongolia, there are installations in the Pyrenees here on Earth, and there are installations down in the Mountains of the Moon in Africa which pick up, very often, people on death. And the thetan just doesn’t know what’s going on. He’s in a state of deep hypnosis, really, and the moment he finds himself in association with a dead body, the thing keys and he reports to where he’s supposed to go.
And he’s changed and moved around here and there and comes back down.
Really, from death back to assumption of a new body and so on, is ordinarily a time period of about fifteen minutes, and he has three engrams (trauma incidents) in those fifteen minutes: 1) The death, 2) The wipeout and implant between lives, and 3) The assumption - knocking out the GE (Genetic Entity) and taking over a body at birth. (Oct. 30, 1952: The Role of Earth)
... Well I know this, that onto this planet a great deal of dumping has gone on. Stuff from the nearby galaxy, not this galaxy but the next galaxy over and so forth gone on there. So they take political prisoners and guys who they don't want around but it is less personal than they think. They just have excess population so they start to get rid of their excess population you see. They've got a revolt or you're on the wrong side of a war or something like that and they pick you up in droves and ice-cube you and throw you into a sea someplace.
I know this planet has been subjected to that and several planets in the immediate end of this galaxy been subjected to that. That I know. But somebody must have taken a great deal of interest in this fact and somebody must be awfully afraid. Somebody must be awfully afraid, you can almost say it isn't so many, how many are here it might also be a question of who's here. (Between Lives Implants, 23 July 1963)
Finally... what is your opinion on it?
If this is just a hoax, what it most likely is, then we can laugh about it and continue our daily routines.
At least you now know the sources which were used for it. And the author of this document “Alien Interwiev” must be very familiar with it.
When you look up Hubbard or Schientology on the net, you just get horror messages. Hubbard probably was one of the most hated men by the establishment. They really didn’t want his message to spred around the planet. And they succeeded so far. The picture most people immediately get when they here "Hubbard" is that he is a crazy science fiction writer. And since beginning of the 1980s they are in control of the church. If you are interested in details you can find ist here (Chronology).
Those who were interested in their own sanity left the church in the beginning of the 80s. Bill Robertson, who worked closely together with Hubbard, basically started the free zone.
Hubbard found the solution to escape this trap of implants an amnesia as it is called in the Alien Interview. He developed a “bridge” out of it. Bill Robertson gave a some lectures on it.
That’s all.